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Paul Scofield's avatar

I am of the opinion that you can tell a lot about someone by whether or not they were "Disney" or "Warner Brothers" cartoon kids growing up. Being one of the latter ("suffferin' succotash" and "beep, beep") I am not surpised that Warner Bros has more-or-less avoided sailing over the Disney woketopia/grooming kids cliff. Bummer regarding the current movie, though. Sounds like the Rotten Tomatoes "If you are still wearing a mask..." guy was right on the money.

Hopefully WB did not compound their stupidity by adding a land acknowledgement somewhere in the film or the credits.

Too bad about Paul Thomas Anderson. A long way from Boogie Nights. Where are Jack Horner, Dirk Diggler, Amber Waves and Roller Girl when we need them most?

Bert Parlee's avatar

The wild darkness of Boogie Nights didn't end as well as the tone that PTA struck with Aimee Mann's "Wise Up" backdropping the array of major mistakes by the core characters ending "Magnolia". Even the main action hero of our time, Tom Cruise in over the top full narcissistic personality disorder mode ,ends up resonating with his father (Jason Robards) who echoes the film's core sentiment: regret. This is what we hope for regarding those lost in woke progressivisms' immunity to learning. New research has shown that they suffer from a variant of narcissism that has only recently been identified. This form doesn't claim "I'm the best, the greatest, the smartest" etc. Rather it is cloaked in faux compassion, signaling virtue while seeking similar praise and recognition, but now for "I care more than others, I'm more sensitive to the suffering of previously marginalized groups" etc. "Communal Narcissism" offers diagnostic clarity for what mystifies the rest of us: https://www.aporiamagazine.com/p/communal-narcissism?utm_source=publication-search

Paul Scofield's avatar

"Communal Narcissim" is an interesting term and concept. Is it in DSM-5? That would be worth reading about.

Thanks for the link, too. A good jumping off point, sir.

Lady Mariposa's avatar

I haven't heard that comparison before. I was definitely a Warner Bros kid. Except for Fantasia, Disney movies never meant much to me.

Paul Scofield's avatar

Damn. I'm in love! Well done, Lady M.. :-)

fuzzi's avatar

Disney was for children, WB was for adults, who still appreciate the subtleties.

Jim Trageser's avatar

Glorifying political violence is not going to be an easy sell at this point. There aren't enough 50-something self-important white people, nor their entitled offspring, to make back their nut on this movie. Just its marketing so misreads the moment that it's closer to the George Wallace presidential campaign of 1972 than it is "Billy Jack": Fearful angry whites trying desperately to put the lid on change they don't like (in this case the political realignment pulling blacks and Hispanics away from a long alliance with wealthy white professionals).

Also, there is nothing remotely just about "social justice" - it's just Kipling's old white saviour complex dressed up in modern duds.

Lady Mariposa's avatar

"Social justice" is at best an oxymoron. At worst, it's evil. What do you think of when you think of justice? Compare that to "Social Justice."

"Fifty-something self-important white people" could definitely include me. Yet I was "red-pilled" over a decade ago and the propaganda in many Hollywood movies has made them virtually unwatchable for me. I'm not alone, so I think this movie has no real audience. We'll see.

Ayn's avatar

So true, it's fearful H-wood putting the lid on a realignment they don't like.

vernon's avatar

It's doing bad box office already. $22 million on a $130 production budget. Contrast that to Weapons which made $49 million its first weekend and only cost $39 million to make. It was already in the black the first weekend it came out.

Zachary Cohen's avatar

the boomers i saw the movie with were drunk and acting like teenagers. they were asked to leave. wealth. well to do. drunk. loud. loutish.

Doug Young's avatar

Actually went to see it on Friday (opening) night, with the intent to "hate watch", & I was unpleasantly unsurprised. The ending is so ridiculous in its upbeat support of the Antifa idea, I thought, who will really be inspired by this, outside of these critics and the deranged far left? Good score, though. Hopefully it bombs & Warner Brothers ends up wishing that they would have delayed its release like Apple TV did w/that ultra woke Jessica Chastain series "The Savant" where she plays a crack detective sleuthing into far-right online domestic terrorism groups.

R H's avatar

You couldn't pay me to watch this type of garbage. Not just Hollywood, but all mainstream media is a weapon.

Ruth H's avatar

Geez, another movie to avoid like the plague. Even reading about it bored me. To think people want to root for antifa-like characters is truly sad. It’s bad enough to read the news out of Portland and beyond. You couldn’t pay me to go waste time at such a terrible plot. No thanks. Ugh, DiCaprio looks truly ugly in the few scenes I’ve endured through Prime ads that I’m forced to watch.

Kathryn Hill's avatar

Perfect Review. Bored out of my mind. Love DiCaprio, looks like my son. Del Toro played lip service in this role and Penn was perfect as a cartoon. But so damn ugly, I just couldn’t get past it. Especially the daughter, ending up as twisted and depraved as her mother. Wanting to emulate her when there was absolutely nothing thing worth emulating.

Lukas Bird's avatar

Yes, of course it’s a Fourth Turning wartime propaganda asset. PTA is another like Leni Reifensthal and Triumph of the Will. As Goebbels understood, cinema is an essential media to winning hearts and minds to the war underway. Inglorious Bastards was all about this too!

We are at war. These are soft power war weapons. We are not at peace. This is not a regrettable departure from our prior peaceful film industry.

Once we understand we have crossed this chasm already and we are merely trading propaganda blows in the run up to what’s coming next - it will make so much more sense.

Austin's avatar

This movie was probably made in 23 when the woke thing was still status quo in the country.

Marilyn F's avatar

Nice to get some insight into Hollywood since I now avoid it. Makes me sad. I love movies, plays, all of it. I miss it a lot.

William C Carlson's avatar

Brilliant.

Previews showed me this was a typical bait and switch. Advertise DeCaprio and replace him with a girl boss.

Dr Amelia R Cohn's avatar

Too bad it’s a bust. I was gonna go to a movie last night. I was watching all the trailers of the movies at the theater and this was the only trailer that looked half decent. I’m glad I didn’t go.

Johnstone75's avatar

There’s a reason I’ve seen like three movies in the last 5 years

Lady Mariposa's avatar

My gosh. The way political violence is heating up, this movie has to have the worst timing ever.

The left has to keep its cannon fodder intoxicated in an alternate reality. I highly doubt that PTA, whose work I've liked in the past, consciously thinks that he is contributing to a parallel reality constructed from propaganda of which his own work is a part. However, that's what it is.

ALLYSONRT's avatar

I am going to watch " Bridesmaids " for the 50th time. I want a laugh,and see people falling in love. I need, an escape.from the murders and arson that we witness daily. Today's news events have put a cap on my wanting to see any more violence, especially if I have to pay for it.

Thanks for the " heads up." I may also watch " Notting Hill" too.

Ed Y.'s avatar

Thank you for saving me time and money to avoid being lectured for another two hours. Maybe Taylor Sheridan can start producing movies. His shows at least minimize wokeness, even though some leak through (eg final season of Yellowstone).

Ayn's avatar

When there are so many dopamine hits on this same topic everywhere else in surround sound right now, I can't imagine that even the people who just love love love a riot will want to pay money to see this. But, alas, it's Prestige Pic season! https://aynsrants.substack.com/p/hurray-for-hollywood

And I can indeed imagine all those Academy members who don't really watch the movies they're supposed to be judging will put their virtue votes on it, anyway.....